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Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Skink on June 11th, 2016, 9:20 am

June 11, 2016 Hughesville Dam Removal UPDATE
Work will begin soon on the removal of the Hughesville Dam which spans the Musconetcong River from Holland Township, Hunterdon County to Pohatcong Township, Warren County. The effort is being led by the Musconetcong Watershed Association and supported by the Musconetcong River Restoration Partnership. See link below.
Here’s what we expect for the Hughesville Dam removal project timeline: Tri-State Dredging will be in the water on June 16th, and we estimate that dredging sediment from the impoundment will take 3 or 4 weeks. Breaching the dam, construction of grade controls and bank stabilization will be done by RiverLogic Solutions and begin about the second week in July. Project feasibility and design and engineering studies were done by Princeton Hydro. We expect that the work will continue until late September. The entire process is very weather dependent and Mother Nature will write the final schedule! http://www.musconetcong.org/files/pdf/M ... ership.pdf
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Fredy on June 13th, 2016, 12:36 pm

Interesting...
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Troutman1 on June 25th, 2016, 7:48 pm

I just fished this today. caught a few trout early am. Water is very low. Gonna miss this place. I fished it many years and has paid its dividends with nice size trout. Hope the restoration goes well to make it even a better place then was before. I wonder how public access will be afterwards :?:
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby The Royal Coachman on June 26th, 2016, 7:48 am

Troutman1 wrote: I wonder how public access will be afterwards :?:


That dilapidated house is owned by the state so I'm assuming access won't change. I was on the truck that stocked that spot a few times this year and it always got a lot of fish. Since it became the first dam on the Musky there have been some interesting catches there. Now those fish will be able to move up to the next dam in the gorge.
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Troutman1 on June 26th, 2016, 10:37 am

The Royal Coachman wrote:
Troutman1 wrote: I wonder how public access will be afterwards :?:


That dilapidated house is owned by the state so I'm assuming access won't change.

Idk about the state owning that house. As I still see no trespassing and private property signs on the property. There is also a real estate sign for sale still attached to the house. I hope the dam on the gorge will come down in the near future as the rest of them to free up the river for better water quality. I dont think many people will venture up to the gorge dam anyway since its about a 1/2 mile hike to it.
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Rusty Spinner on June 27th, 2016, 8:56 am

Troutman1 wrote:
The Royal Coachman wrote:
Troutman1 wrote: I wonder how public access will be afterwards :?:


That dilapidated house is owned by the state so I'm assuming access won't change.

Idk about the state owning that house. As I still see no trespassing and private property signs on the property. There is also a real estate sign for sale still attached to the house. I hope the dam on the gorge will come down in the near future as the rest of them to free up the river for better water quality. I dont think many people will venture up to the gorge dam anyway since its about a 1/2 mile hike to it.



It is privately owned, correct. For sale, but they waited a decade too long as it is now a tear down job. The roof is like Swiss cheese, so once all that water gets in, it's over quickly for a house.
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Troutman1 on June 27th, 2016, 3:22 pm

Rusty Spinner wrote:
Troutman1 wrote:
The Royal Coachman wrote:
Troutman1 wrote: I wonder how public access will be afterwards :?:


That dilapidated house is owned by the state so I'm assuming access won't change.

Idk about the state owning that house. As I still see no trespassing and private property signs on the property. There is also a real estate sign for sale still attached to the house. I hope the dam on the gorge will come down in the near future as the rest of them to free up the river for better water quality. I dont think many people will venture up to the gorge dam anyway since its about a 1/2 mile hike to it.



It is privately owned, correct. For sale, but they waited a decade too long as it is now a tear down job. The roof is like Swiss cheese, so once all that water gets in, it's over quickly for a house.

Does the state have any future plans on taking down the Musky George Dam :?:
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby The Royal Coachman on June 28th, 2016, 7:52 am

Rusty Spinner wrote:
It is privately owned, correct. For sale, but they waited a decade too long as it is now a tear down job. The roof is like Swiss cheese, so once all that water gets in, it's over quickly for a house.


That's what I get for listening to the guys on the stocking truck :roll:

Does the dam have an easement where they put the gravel down?
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Rusty Spinner on June 28th, 2016, 8:28 am

The Royal Coachman wrote:
Rusty Spinner wrote:
It is privately owned, correct. For sale, but they waited a decade too long as it is now a tear down job. The roof is like Swiss cheese, so once all that water gets in, it's over quickly for a house.


That's what I get for listening to the guys on the stocking truck :roll:

Does the dam have an easement where they put the gravel down?


The owners of the dam, IPPE, own where the gravel pad was put down. They own both sides, hence they own the entire dam right now.
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Rusty Spinner on June 28th, 2016, 8:31 am

Troutman1 wrote:Does the state have any future plans on taking down the Musky George Dam :?:


The state (Division of F&W) co-owns that dam with IPPE. The dam is deemed in need of rehabilitation or removal. There have been early steps taken for removal which is everyone's long term goal, but it's going to require lots and lots of mitigation funds coming from somewhere like the Penn East gas pipeline if that is built as it looks like it will be. But nothing is in place to fund this massive 3 year project where the dredging is the big piece of the job to eventually remove the dam itself and restore the Musky Gorge above it all the way up to the RR tunnels.
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby BiggerThomas on June 28th, 2016, 1:35 pm

Rusty Spinner wrote:
Troutman1 wrote:Does the state have any future plans on taking down the Musky George Dam :?:


The state (Division of F&W) co-owns that dam with IPPE. The dam is deemed in need of rehabilitation or removal. There have been early steps taken for removal which is everyone's long term goal, but it's going to require lots and lots of mitigation funds coming from somewhere like the Penn East gas pipeline if that is built as it looks like it will be. But nothing is in place to fund this massive 3 year project where the dredging is the big piece of the job to eventually remove the dam itself and restore the Musky Gorge above it all the way up to the RR tunnels.


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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Troutman1 on June 28th, 2016, 2:00 pm

BiggerThomas wrote:Bill H took me to the Musky Gorge one day...almost slipped and fell into a bear den!

Gotta watch those bears :!: .........I heard they dont like fly fishermans :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Rusty Spinner on June 28th, 2016, 5:07 pm

BiggerThomas wrote:
Rusty Spinner wrote:
Troutman1 wrote:Does the state have any future plans on taking down the Musky George Dam :?:


The state (Division of F&W) co-owns that dam with IPPE. The dam is deemed in need of rehabilitation or removal. There have been early steps taken for removal which is everyone's long term goal, but it's going to require lots and lots of mitigation funds coming from somewhere like the Penn East gas pipeline if that is built as it looks like it will be. But nothing is in place to fund this massive 3 year project where the dredging is the big piece of the job to eventually remove the dam itself and restore the Musky Gorge above it all the way up to the RR tunnels.


Bill H took me to the Musky Gorge one day...almost slipped and fell into a bear den!


About 8 years ago around now, I was working for TU for only a few months and tried to walk through the cornfield on the Warren side above the Warren Glen paper mill at route 519 to check out the Musky Gorge as I had only seen it once at that point. I was planning to wet wade and had my little Winston 3 weight along (not sure why that small a rod?). I was sweating profusely on a hot, steamy day, the stinging nettle was brutalizing my thighs and calves, and the bugs were swarming my hot, sweaty face when I rounded a corner in the corn to a small back section of this field. I jumped a bear out of the corn not more than 15 feet away. He went one way and I went the other! I never did get to fish it that day.


But I have been back dozens of times since....and have the combo and permission to access it by vehicle from the plant side.
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Troutman1 on June 28th, 2016, 6:26 pm

Rusty Spinner wrote:But I have been back dozens of times since....and have the combo and permission to access it by vehicle from the plant side.

Lucky you ;). I walk the corn field on the weekends when the gates closed. During the weekday I just walk thru the gate and sign in. Some times the guard would hook me up. Id be at the dam in 5 minutes. There are some really nice sections in between. But getting to it rite now is a PITA...
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Rusty Spinner on June 29th, 2016, 9:29 am

Troutman1 wrote:
Rusty Spinner wrote:But I have been back dozens of times since....and have the combo and permission to access it by vehicle from the plant side.

Lucky you ;). I walk the corn field on the weekends when the gates closed. During the weekday I just walk thru the gate and sign in. Some times the guard would hook me up. Id be at the dam in 5 minutes. There are some really nice sections in between. But getting to it rite now is a PITA...


Right now, you can't as they leased out the water to a fishing club. The Musky Gorge below the dam is basically off limits unless you have a tax map with you and stay in certain areas only on the Warren side as IPPE owns all of the Hunterdon side and some of the Warren side.
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby MR.MCR on June 29th, 2016, 2:16 pm

The legendary, magical, mystical Musky Gorge is a real teaser.......
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Postby Rusty Spinner on June 29th, 2016, 6:53 pm

MR.MCR wrote:The legendary, magical, mystical Musky Gorge is a real teaser.......


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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Troutman1 on June 30th, 2016, 12:22 am

Rusty Spinner wrote:Right now, you can't as they leased out the water to a fishing club. The Musky Gorge below the dam is basically off limits unless you have a tax map with you and stay in certain areas only on the Warren side as IPPE owns all of the Hunterdon side and some of the Warren side.

Damn :cry: ....... Ive been trespassing like a mug then.... I just fished there about 2 weeks ago on a Sunday :o .....
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Re: Hughesville Dam removal update

Postby Bubba Zinetti on June 30th, 2016, 8:11 am

We have hiked the gorge. It is really pretty. I would love open access there.
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Postby Rusty Spinner on June 30th, 2016, 9:10 am

Bubba Zinetti wrote:We have hiked the gorge. It is really pretty. I would love open access there.


The long term plan is to use mitigation funds to remove the big dam, all of the associated paper mill infrastructure (mill buildings, tall smoke stack, water treatment plant, etc., etc., plant 300' buffers around all wetlands, streams and the Musky, build benched wetlands using the dredge spoils from above the Warren Glen Mill dam, and then donating the site to the state for hunting and fishing access as well as hiking, birdwatching, etc. But the mitigation funding is not yet in place. This is for both the Warren Glen mill and the Hughesville mill. Those two properties are adjacent in Hunterdon and it is a combined approx. 354 acres, and between adding up their Hunterdon and Warren banks along the Musky, nearly 4 miles of new public access (some of which is accessible now like the "S-Bend" above the Alba winery).
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