Stocking

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Re: Stocking

Post by lightenup » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:38 pm

Jaybird wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:44 pm
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:25 pm
Rusty Spinner wrote:
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I can't speak for Whole Foods, but my Shop Rite always carries both farm raised salmon (Atlantic salmon, often raised around the world) and wild caught salmon, typically from Alaska. You pay more for the wild caught and most people prefer the fattier flesh of the farm (pen) raised salmon, so it is not as popular a seller. Sometimes they get wild char as well. Sometimes frozen, sometimes fresh. My local store seems to be stepping up their seafood game of late.
I can guarantee you that the char is NOT wild caught..They are big fat liars!!!!!! Wild salmon, they will catch at sea, but most is "refreshed", a fancy word for thawed frozen fish...if the sockeye are running, you will see loads of that. I deal with fish mongers daily, they know what's up!!!!! Now about you chasing stocking trucks, THOSE ARE NOT WILD FISH!!!! :D ;)
I see some folks on Instagram that would disagree theyer pellet filled trout are absolutely wild .
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Re: Stocking

Post by lightenup » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:42 pm

Troutman wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:38 pm
lightenup wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:40 pm
Power bait and mop flies for everyone!!!!!!
Power bait is for suckers...... :o :.....lol: I either use spinners barbless single hook or jigs barbless hook also ....Mopflier maybe when I can muster up my fly rod ;)
I'm one of those traditionalists..fur and feathers only, and some carpet material of course...

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Re: Stocking

Post by lightenup » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:44 pm

Troutman wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:44 pm
lightenup wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:25 pm
Wild salmon, they will catch at sea, but most is "refreshed", a fancy word for thawed frozen fish...
Nothing wrong with "refreshed"= flash frozen 8-) . Amazing things about technology today ;) . cant feel or taste the difference
It cooks a bit differently. It cooks and dries out quicker. If you just cook it less, it is fine...technology is pretty cool.

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Re: Stocking

Post by Troutman » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:01 pm

lightenup wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:44 pm
Troutman wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:44 pm
lightenup wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:25 pm
Wild salmon, they will catch at sea, but most is "refreshed", a fancy word for thawed frozen fish...
Nothing wrong with "refreshed"= flash frozen 8-) . Amazing things about technology today ;) . cant feel or taste the difference
It cooks a bit differently. It cooks and dries out quicker. If you just cook it less, it is fine...technology is pretty cool.
Sous Vide method of cooking solves all that ;)
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Re: Stocking

Post by martalus » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:13 am

What is the retail price differential these days for wild salmon versus farm raised? Am moving back to the states this summer and have to prepare myself for the prices!

Farm raised trout is really cheap here in Kosovo. My wife once had a work trip to the Albanian mountains near the Kosovo border and they had both wild and farm raised trout at some little restaurant-the wild ones were smaller and cost three times as much. I asked for a picture pre-cooking so I could confirm-the farm raised trout here are always rainbows, but in fact it looked like she did have a brace of wild brown trout on her plate. Has anyone ever come across wild trout on a menu?

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Re: Stocking

Post by Troutman » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:08 am

martalus wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:13 am
What is the retail price differential these days for wild salmon versus farm raised? Am moving back to the states this summer and have to prepare myself for the prices!

Wild caught fish is about 50% more expensive then farm raised. The farm raised breeders have been getting slick in presentation. As they have been feeding pellets with dye in them the make them :shock: like wild caught. Many fish mongers have been caught passing off the cheaper for the more expensive :evil:
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Re: Stocking

Post by lightenup » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:32 pm

Troutman wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:08 am
martalus wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:13 am
What is the retail price differential these days for wild salmon versus farm raised? Am moving back to the states this summer and have to prepare myself for the prices!

Wild caught fish is about 50% more expensive then farm raised. The farm raised breeders have been getting slick in presentation. As they have been feeding pellets with dye in them the make them :shock: like wild caught. Many fish mongers have been caught passing off the cheaper for the more expensive :evil:
They have been feeding them(salmon)dyed pellets for years and years, the farm raised trout I buy looks just like stocked bows from NJ, but it is raised in Idaho..that's an immersion circulator, but not sure about your methods of sealing the fish in plastic. Sous Vide is a very particular science, and should be done right as to be sure not to sicken' people. My sous is very well versed in these techniques and has taken classes with the originator at NECI...I am not sue if chef Georges Pralus would agree with your methods :D ...anyway, the benefits of sous vide are well documented and it is always better to use fresh over frozen, no matter the tech. Wild fish is easily discerned from farm raised, all you need to do is touch it and look at it. A farm raised salmon is super slimy and soft. It has a fishy taste no matter how fresh. I buy farmed salmon from Jail Island in Canada, high quality but the best I have seen come from Scotland or New Zealand where they sea ranch King Salmon.

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Re: Stocking

Post by garden hackle » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:14 pm

Fishing for “Refreshed” fish is like cheating

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Re: Stocking

Post by lightenup » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:24 pm

garden hackle wrote:
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Fishing for “Refreshed” fish is like cheating
:D :D :D :D :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Stocking

Post by Troutman » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:44 pm

lightenup wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:32 pm
They have been feeding them(salmon)dyed pellets for years and years, the farm raised trout I buy looks just like stocked bows from NJ, but it is raised in Idaho..that's an immersion circulator, but not sure about your methods of sealing the fish in plastic.
Sous Vide is excellent for fish also. Almost impossible to overcook & dry out. Give it a quick sear in a cast iron skillet or use a torch ;) . Wild fish imo has a different taste then farm raised. just like harvesting a deer from a swamp vs 1 that has been feeding out a corn field or apple orchard.
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Re: Stocking

Post by lightenup » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:27 pm

Troutman wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:44 pm
lightenup wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:32 pm
They have been feeding them(salmon)dyed pellets for years and years, the farm raised trout I buy looks just like stocked bows from NJ, but it is raised in Idaho..that's an immersion circulator, but not sure about your methods of sealing the fish in plastic.
Sous Vide is excellent for fish also. Almost impossible to overcook & dry out. Give it a quick sear in a cast iron skillet or use a torch ;) . Wild fish imo has a different taste then farm raised. just like harvesting a deer from a swamp vs 1 that has been feeding out a corn field or apple orchard.
Wild fish is far superior to farm raised..I won't eat farmed fish as it taste like you said, a dirty swamp. Sous vide is an excellent way to cook almost anything, try eggs. But please buy a machine to seal the fish..a zip lock doesn't quite cut it. :D

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Re: Stocking

Post by Troutman » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:24 pm

lightenup wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:27 pm
Troutman wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:44 pm
lightenup wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:32 pm
They have been feeding them(salmon)dyed pellets for years and years, the farm raised trout I buy looks just like stocked bows from NJ, but it is raised in Idaho..that's an immersion circulator, but not sure about your methods of sealing the fish in plastic.
Sous Vide is excellent for fish also. Almost impossible to overcook & dry out. Give it a quick sear in a cast iron skillet or use a torch ;) . Wild fish imo has a different taste then farm raised. just like harvesting a deer from a swamp vs 1 that has been feeding out a corn field or apple orchard.
Wild fish is far superior to farm raised..I won't eat farmed fish as it taste like you said, a dirty swamp. Sous vide is an excellent way to cook almost anything, try eggs. But please buy a machine to seal the fish..a zip lock doesn't quite cut it. :D
:lol: :lol: :lol: . I use zip lock bags with meats only due to marinade. I dont want it sucked up into my vac sealer. I heard eggs are great. Have to try that next ;)
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