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Re: nj brookies... ever again?

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:14 am
by Rusty Spinner
BillSmith wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:52 pm
So they order take out for LasndLocked, so 3 lakes can benefit. Why not order Brown trout instead so the WHOLE STATE can benefit, oh yeah, that make too much sense.
The reason NJ gets landlocked salmon from Massachusetts is because we used to supply them with brown trout eggs. Although we no longer supply them with brown trout eggs, we still get the salmon for our 3 lake program. So Massachusetts cannot supply us with brown trout because they have to bring those in to their state from other states.

Re: nj brookies... ever again?

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:52 pm
by Dave B.
Rusty Spinner wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:14 am
BillSmith wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:52 pm
So they order take out for LasndLocked, so 3 lakes can benefit. Why not order Brown trout instead so the WHOLE STATE can benefit, oh yeah, that make too much sense.
The reason NJ gets landlocked salmon from Massachusetts is because we used to supply them with brown trout eggs. Although we no longer supply them with brown trout eggs, we still get the salmon for our 3 lake program. So Massachusetts cannot supply us with brown trout because they have to bring those in to their state from other states.
We also still supply Massachusetts with northern pike from Hackettestown, which is a part of the ongoing fish trade. But then Andy knows all of this, he just likes to stir the pot and make adolescent comments from time to time.

Re: nj brookies... ever again?

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:57 am
by Castaline
The thing I miss the most was the fact it seems the browns are more likely to rise to dries and were stocked later when there seems to be better hatches. Maybe a slightly higher tolerance to warmer water as science says and thus maybe higher holdover potential in many rivers without any natural production.

Re: nj brookies... ever again?

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:06 am
by Twism86
Working for Rutgers/State has shows how slooowww any project can be! The hatchery isnt immune to these issues and while run by competent scientists will still be bogged down by red tape. The state "lowest bidder" system is also terrible and can really hinder a project.

Another big point to remember in regards to the hatchery and what they stock is that we, the mostly C&R, conservation minded, TU members, forum posters etc... Are the MINORITY! The MAJORITY of anglers in the state want to fish the first few weeks after stocking, bring home their 6 trout a day and put the rod back in the corner of the garage until next April. The state stocks and produces trout to fill that need of a put and take fishery. While we may be vocal we are still the minority.

Re: nj brookies... ever again?

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:31 pm
by BillSmith
If you went to ANY of the meetings offered by the State you would know that 60% of trout fishermen practice e C&R while only 40% actually catch and keep. I think those numbers came out in all the surveys.

Re: nj brookies... ever again?

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:26 am
by Jaybird
60% is a bigger number than I thought ,( guess I didn't do the required reading either)but of of that 60% , how many properly release those fish ? Or release those fish when the water temps are 70°f and above ? Or aren't taking a load of pictures while theyer catch is out of the water while they set up a tripod . Obviously the catch and release has come a long way , now it's just doing it right .

Re: nj brookies... ever again?

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:06 am
by coaltrout
BillSmith wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:31 pm
If you went to ANY of the meetings offered by the State you would know that 60% of trout fishermen practice e C&R while only 40% actually catch and keep. I think those numbers came out in all the surveys.
there must be some bias with those surveys. Maybe the anglers volunteering to do a survey are more likely to be CnR. From my perspective during spring, most of people trout fishing are keeping trout.

I mean i wont be surprised if you told me there's a lot of CnR anglers, im already aware, but there's a TON of people who like to keep their catches. Np there. Just that I feellike that 40/60% thing is not correct in reality

Re: nj brookies... ever again?

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:45 am
by Twism86
BillSmith wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:31 pm
If you went to ANY of the meetings offered by the State you would know that 60% of trout fishermen practice e C&R while only 40% actually catch and keep. I think those numbers came out in all the surveys.
Getting a bit snippy are we?? Might want to check who you are replying too my friend!

Also, I HAVE been to MANY of those meetings in the past when issues needed support. I have not been as involved recently as life doesn't slow down but you are incorrect in assuming I have never been, Mr. Bill....

Re: nj brookies... ever again?

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:05 am
by Twism86
coaltrout wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:06 am
BillSmith wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:31 pm
If you went to ANY of the meetings offered by the State you would know that 60% of trout fishermen practice e C&R while only 40% actually catch and keep. I think those numbers came out in all the surveys.
there must be some bias with those surveys. Maybe the anglers volunteering to do a survey are more likely to be CnR. From my perspective during spring, most of people trout fishing are keeping trout.

I mean i wont be surprised if you told me there's a lot of CnR anglers, im already aware, but there's a TON of people who like to keep their catches. Np there. Just that I feellike that 40/60% thing is not correct in reality
I would assume you are correct as well. "Squeaky wheel gets the grease" applies here. The C&R anglers are then ones who care more about conservation and and are more likely to complete said surveys. Also, in reply to BillSmith, those meetings will be attended by only the conservation minded anglers so while I still firmly beleive that group is the minority, they are the most vocal.

Re: nj brookies... ever again?

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:18 am
by coaltrout
Twism86 wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:45 am
BillSmith wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:31 pm
If you went to ANY of the meetings offered by the State you would know that 60% of trout fishermen practice e C&R while only 40% actually catch and keep. I think those numbers came out in all the surveys.
Getting a bit snippy are we?? Might want to check who you are replying too friend!
Not sure what you're seeing as rude, Tswim. forum-admin status shouldnt be a point in a discussion tho.