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Re: Peapack Brook 3/9/2020
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:06 am
by BiggerThomas
garden hackle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:02 am
barkeater wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:42 pm
Serious question, if there are no holdover browns, how did a wild brown appear in a river. It must have parents somewhere.
Browns do reproduce in our streams and previously stocked Browns from years past are the origin of the current "wild Browns". What Rusty meant was that currently caught Browns in the Peapack were not stocked but are progeny of previously stocked fish. In other streams you may run into holdover Browns from private stocking in fishing clubs.
Thanks
So any state stocked browns would have died off due to old age (or predation) by now. I wasn't sure how long ago browns were stocked or the age expectancy of brown trout.
I read on the Musky Trout Hatcheries site that browns "can live in the wild an average of 12 years." That surprised me quite a bit. But I guess a lot depends on habitat, food availability, and predation. Also, how skilled the anglers are in the area
Re: Peapack Brook 3/9/2020
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:13 pm
by lightenup
BiggerThomas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:06 am
garden hackle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:02 am
barkeater wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:42 pm
Browns do reproduce in our streams and previously stocked Browns from years past are the origin of the current "wild Browns". What Rusty meant was that currently caught Browns in the Peapack were not stocked but are progeny of previously stocked fish. In other streams you may run into holdover Browns from private stocking in fishing clubs.
Thanks
So any state stocked browns would have died off due to old age (or predation) by now. I wasn't sure how long ago browns were stocked or the age expectancy of brown trout.
I read on the Musky Trout Hatcheries site that browns "can live in the wild an average of 12 years." That surprised me quite a bit. But I guess a lot depends on how skilled the anglers are in the area
So Musky browns could probably live 20 years in that ruiver...
Re: Peapack Brook 3/9/2020
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:39 am
by Rusty Spinner
garden hackle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:02 am
barkeater wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:42 pm
Serious question, if there are no holdover browns, how did a wild brown appear in a river. It must have parents somewhere.
Browns do reproduce in our streams and previously stocked Browns from years past are the origin of the current "wild Browns". What Rusty meant was that currently caught Browns in the Peapack were not stocked but are progeny of previously stocked fish. In other streams you may run into holdover Browns from private stocking in fishing clubs.
Thanks
So any state stocked browns would have died off due to old age (or predation) by now. I wasn't sure how long ago browns were stocked or the age expectancy of brown trout.
Yes, correct. No holdover brown trout from state stockings in NJ. Only private club stockings or wild brown trout these days.
Re: Peapack Brook 3/9/2020
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm
by Jerzguy21
That little stream has had natural reproducing browns for way over 50 years, FYI.
Re: Peapack Brook 3/9/2020
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:46 am
by Twism86
Jerzguy21 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm
That little stream has had natural reproducing browns for way over 50 years, FYI.
This guy knows whats up.
NJ has only 30-ish officially designated Wild Trout Streams but nearly 200 Trout Production streams.
Re: Peapack Brook 3/9/2020
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:21 pm
by coaltrout
Twism86 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:46 am
Jerzguy21 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm
That little stream has had natural reproducing browns for way over 50 years, FYI.
This guy knows whats up.
NJ has only 30-ish officially designated Wild Trout Streams but nearly 200 Trout Production streams.
I wonder what makes them "official" I figure some of it has to do with public access. Although some of the WTS listed are hardly accessible.
Maybe another part is quality, and also secrecy
Re: Peapack Brook 3/9/2020
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:39 pm
by Dave B.
coaltrout wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:21 pm
Twism86 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:46 am
Jerzguy21 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm
That little stream has had natural reproducing browns for way over 50 years, FYI.
This guy knows whats up.
NJ has only 30-ish officially designated Wild Trout Streams but nearly 200 Trout Production streams.
I wonder what makes them "official" I figure some of it has to do with public access. Although some of the WTS listed are hardly accessible.
Maybe another part is quality, and also secrecy
Public access has in the past not been much of a factor, although the selection process has begun to take this into greater consideration. A couple of the biggest factors are stream size, and most importantly population abundance as it relates to angling pressure mortality rates.
Re: Peapack Brook 3/9/2020
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:38 am
by garden hackle
coaltrout wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:21 pm
I wonder what makes them "official" I figure some of it has to do with public access. Although some of the WTS listed are hardly accessible.
Maybe another part is quality, and also secrecy
WTS designation has a love/hate following. If a stream is designated a WTS, it may draw unwanted attention and it is believed population of trout will decline due to increased fishing pressure. NJAngler has suggested this many times. Nationally point of view, I take pride that NJ has so many WTS listed, it is contrary to how many outsiders view NJ.
Just about every stream in the NW part of our state has the potential of being a WTS, whether it is so designated or not. Serious anglers know this and seek them out. Some have the potential of hold some large trout, most have just small trout and most it is difficult to cast a fly to all likely pools. Meat hunters will not likely frequent them, but it only takes one poacher to ruin a stream for several years.