Big Flatbrook 11/1

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by Kronk » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:05 pm

When worm containers and power bait jars abound in the new regulation stretch YOU DO THE MATH. It was much better as fly only the new regulation is a MAJOR MISTAKE...Hate all YOU WANT

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by cappy » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:32 pm

Kronk wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:05 pm
When worm containers and power bait jars abound in the new regulation stretch YOU DO THE MATH. It was much better as fly only the new regulation is a MAJOR MISTAKE...Hate all YOU WANT
I agree 100%

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by CheeseburgerFly » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:59 am

Sorry, not familiar with the river, but what is the regulation change?

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by Kronk » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:16 am

The section from Rt 206 to the roy bridge was fly only but with the option to take a limit of fish which few people did. It was changed to No kill and all tackle artificials only allowing spinning equipment. This section needs restoration and back to fly only. The new regulation ruined a great section of stream. Less fly fisherman who monitored the rules and discouraged poachers. Several access roads not maintained. New regulations are a FAILURE.

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by Jaybird » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:18 am

I don't fish it that much anymore , but to be fair I think even when it was Fly-fishing only it was poached pretty hard .

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by cappy » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:55 pm

I don't mind the no-kill part as I don't keep anything, that is good idea or possibly limit the take to two fish, but it was much better as a fly-fishing only stretch. I personally saw less fisherman, gets hammered early season by spin fisherman and I doubt they are all following the new hook restrictions. Before it's said I doubt all fly fisherman are abiding by the hook restrictions, however the percentage has to be much less in my opinion.

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by Drossi » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:10 pm

Another special regs area that I stay out of.

BTW - I remember hearing the same poaching argument back when it was a fly only stretch too. Didn't fish it then either, too many snooty fly fishermen there then.
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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by Dave B. » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:32 pm

The stretch got poached and otherwise abused very hard when it was FFO. The C.O.'s very often caught fly anglers with bait on their hooks as well as guys spin fishing with both lures and bait. Also there were many cases of 'over the limit' fly guys caught through the stretch. One's perceptions will be what any individual chooses them to be, the facts are what they are regardless of perceptions and opinions.
To me the issue of greater importance and interest regarding this stream section is the apparent lack of serious increase in both holdover and wild trout that was hoped for with the reg change. As many here know there were several consecutive years of electro-fishing this section both before and after the reg change to acquire both baseline data and subsequent data for comparison. Thus far it appears the reg change has had very little positive impact in both hoped for areas of population increase. About the only thing that has appeared to change regarding trout numbers is that population seems to remain at higher levels longer into the summer season before dropping off, and the fall stocked fish seem to be holding over better into the following spring. A serious increase in long-term holdover has yet to be realized from the reg change.

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by Troutman » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:07 pm

Poaching occurs by spin & fly fisherman. Its absurd to think 1 is better then the other. Just as fishing etiquette for both. Its the fisherman. Not the method he uses to fish
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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by joe_panella » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:11 pm

Troutman wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:07 pm
Poaching occurs by spin & fly fisherman. Its absurd to think 1 is better then the other. Just as fishing etiquette for both. Its the fisherman. Not the method he uses to fish
Come on now, the majority of poaching comes from the spin guys. That being said one is not better than the other. As far as river, I only really ever fish it for wild brookie, but you have to know where to find them, and I haven't done that in a few years.

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by Kronk » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:12 pm

Fished that section for years if a spin fisherman walked in they were immediately sent packing, Many fly fisherman have not continued to fish that section since the change which affected the monitoring of the rules. As far as keeping over the limit when it was fly only I fished it three times a week and other than the friday night crowd hardly ever saw anyone keep fish. CO Roger Nestle kept a tight lid on that section.

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by Troutman » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:15 pm

joe_panella wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:11 pm
Troutman wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:07 pm
Poaching occurs by spin & fly fisherman. Its absurd to think 1 is better then the other. Just as fishing etiquette for both. Its the fisherman. Not the method he uses to fish
Come on now, the majority of poaching comes from the spin guys.
Amusing part is I have fished in the same river as fly fisherman. I have witness them keeping a stringer up to the limit. I as a spin angler released all mine.... Hmmmm
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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by coaltrout » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:43 pm

Popular stretches get more pressure. Special regulation areas attract more angling attention. Not saying that special regs is actually worse for the fish, but putting restrictions on a stretch surely draws a lot of popularity and pressure on the fish there.

For example, an angler (like me when I started) notices the special regulation area and processes it as a great place to fish as they think the place is holding the most trout. No-kill or limited taking means there's trout packed in there.

This example is common in angler's in NJ. And you see that these areas actually get a lot of pressure.

I guess the best regulation is to ban fishing altogether, but I wont be surprised if that just attracts a lot more pressure from sneaky anglers :mrgreen:

I will always believe that it's important to focus on river health in improving the fish population.

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by joe_panella » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Troutman wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:15 pm
joe_panella wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:11 pm
Troutman wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:07 pm
Poaching occurs by spin & fly fisherman. Its absurd to think 1 is better then the other. Just as fishing etiquette for both. Its the fisherman. Not the method he uses to fish
Come on now, the majority of poaching comes from the spin guys.
Amusing part is I have fished in the same river as fly fisherman. I have witness them keeping a stringer up to the limit. I as a spin angler released all mine.... Hmmmm
why is it amusing, you are talking about someone legally catching and keeping. All the power to them, the hatchery will make more. I thought we were talking about poaching.

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Re: Big Flatbrook 11/1

Post by Troutman » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:53 pm

joe_panella wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:36 pm
Troutman wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:15 pm
joe_panella wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:11 pm

Come on now, the majority of poaching comes from the spin guys.
Amusing part is I have fished in the same river as fly fisherman. I have witness them keeping a stringer up to the limit. I as a spin angler released all mine.... Hmmmm
why is it amusing, you are talking about someone legally catching and keeping. All the power to them, the hatchery will make more. I thought we were talking about poaching.
Amusing is that people think fly fisherman are conservationist that dont kill-keep their catch. It was said on here that some fly fisherman poach with bait on the end of the hook. Im a spin angler. I used to be a fly angler also before I suffered a shoulder injury. So I happen to enjoy and did both. All Im sayin is that there fly fisherman that have the same bad habits as spin fisherman
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